It sounds like 5,000 of them are going home asap. Maybe this will be the new pattern. Trump will keep getting offended and send another 5,000 GI’s home. It shouldn’t take him long to clear out Germany! But his choice of units is not logical.
Doesnt and not supposed to. Why should it? As a non-American - to me it is up to the American people and the people of the occupied regions to get rid of the American bases - who were never about 'freedom and democracy' and always about capitalism's profit maximization.
When a colonial entity’s creation, survival and expansion depend on the ethnic cleansing of a native population, is there ever an alternative to dismantling it?
The Zionist movement is a worldwide criminal organization that must be neutralized. Every propagandist for Zionism must be included in this neutralization.
....and it is lingua franca (are you aware of the irony?) because of Arab military imperialism, Arab culltural imperialism and Arab religious imperialism of the Koran as voiced by Bin Laden, Caliph Baghdadi and others to conquer the entire World. " Nobody likes armed missionnaries," Robespierre
1) Not all colonies have to be the colony of an Empire. Shlomo Sand deals with this question in The Invention of Israel. Certain phases of the Israeli settler colonisation project closely resembled France’s colonisation of Algeria.
2) Now. And when it’s done.
3) Being an Arab is defined by a combination of linguistic and cultural factors, not ancestry. The Arabs of Morocco, say, had and still have more in common with the Jews of Morocco than the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula - they’re both predominantly Berber.
If you really think “Arabs are from Arabia” you are way out of your depth here and should go back to playing with your friends Barbie and Ken.
You have iin effect re-asserted personal self determination regardless of inheritance. Jews are Jews and as entitled to a state of their own as Pakistan where the only common denominator of a failed, unstable and dangerous state is the Moslem identiity of most inhabitants who are beastly to their Christian minority.
Arabs definitionally originated in Arabia. Jews definitionally originated in Judea. The ethnicities are from those 2 distinct locations. That's the ethnogenesis.
You didn't answer question 2. When does the clock start for being eligible for dismantling, and when has enough time gone where it's no longer a viable option? Could be 50 years. 100 years. 1000 years. 5000 years. Curious on your thoughts.
Colony has a parent State. France was the parent state of the Empire. England was the parent state of the Empire.
Israel isn't a colony of another Nation. If you argue that Britain was the Empire, then you'd also say the same thing for Pakistan, India, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan.
Israel exists. Will continue to exist. Our fate will be decided and defended by our own hands. No longer will any group be in control of our destiny. Why did the Arab nations fail in 48, 56, 67, and 73? Why did Hamas fail on October 7th? Why did the Arab nations fail when Hamas, Hezzbolah, IRGC, and Houthis attacked Israel? Because we defend ourselves. Our lives, in our hands.
I presume you mean “definitely” rather than “definitionally”. Yes, the Arabs who originally originated in Arabia did indeed originally originate in Arabia. But the “Arabs” you’re referring from are not those Arabs. The number of peninsula Arabs who left the peninsula and spread across North Africa and what are now Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq was tiny - estimated at 10-20,000. They intermarried with local populations and imposed their language (Arabic) and religion (Islam, but not on Jews and Christians, who remained Jews and Christians but became Arabic-speaking), creating “Arabs” who are the predominantly the descendants of the existing populations, not the peninsula Arabs.
And no, the Jews did not originate in Judea. Where on earth did you go to school? Abraham (have you heard of Abraham? AKA Avram?) emigrated from Ur of the Chaldees in Mesopotamia (now Iraq) with his family. The Hebrews, and what became Judaism, were foreign to what is now Palestine, via Egypt. They had to slaughter their way into the land (so that hasn’t changed, eh?).
Question 2 isn’t interesting.
England and France were the parent states of their colonies and Empires. But you don’t have to have an empire or even a parent state to found a colony and send settlers.
Scotland is not an empire or a parent state, but in the early 18th century some Scots thought it would be a good idea to found a settler colony in South America. They raised a huge amount of money, bought land and founded a settler colony in Panama. It was called the Darien Venture. It was a disaster, nearly everyone died of illness, they got attacked by the Spanish, and the investors lost their capital (equivalent to half of Scotland’s capital at the time).
A bit like Israel in many ways. Wait till the Americans pull their money.
The Scots then went on to do very well and did most of the admn and defence of the British Empire starting with the tobacco barons of Gasgow that funded the Scottish Enlightenment and the domination of steam technology trains and ships.
Israel survived ts first two decaades when it was weakest and most fragile without US government money and without US active support. People do not just keel over witness the wasteful prolongation of the Arab contest with Israeli exisitence that has stopped Arab development .
Israel has become the source of hate & division among the Arabian states & is ALWAYS stirring up more violence and hatred….they must go or no peace will prevail.!!!
So cheerio to the USA and every other Amerrican state as well as Australia, New Zealand and S. Africa?? Then see where you bread will come from without the wheat and other food markets?
Why? I dont follow ylur logic. There were thriving indigenious cultures all over the world prior to the formation of empires. Particularly nasty have been the various capitalist ones.
When I point out that genetic anthropological data, paleography, epigraphy, Greco-Roman texts, Abbasid texts, archaeology, numismatics, etc. all indicate that modern Rabbinic Jews do not have Greco-Roman Judean ancestors, a Zionist colonial settler invader propagandist claims that I am antisemitic because I am denying Jewish identity — something I am not doing because Jewish identity is not dependent on descent from a Greco-Roman Judean ancestor.
When someone else claims on the basis of methodically and mathematically questionable genetic anthropological papers that modern Jews have Canaanite ancestors, the Zionist colonial settler invader propagandist rejoices even though the false claim of Canaanite ancestry directly gainsays the Jewish conception of the identity of am yisrael (עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל) because the Children of Israel were commanded to extirpate Canaanites.
The white racial supremacist propagandist only cares about the validation of false Zionist propaganda and claims that allege:
1. There was a Roman expulsion
2. The ongoing never ending genocide of native Palestinians in Palestine must be considered the return of a population that was expelled 2000 years ago.
This framing is important to the white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settler invader because Zionists believe that the claim of return overrides international and US federal anti-genocide law.
In the context of the Zionist invasion of Palestine, the false claim of modern Rabbinic Jewish descent from Greco-Roman Judean ancestors is legally tantamount to direct and public incitement of genocide.
The claim of return is not a cognizable defense to an accusation of genocide. Anti-genocide law (unlike international maritime law of an international waterway) is non-derogable and not subject to negotiation.
Because I have given up explaining the meaning of jus cogens to Americans, I now emphasize:
1. Zionist colonial settler invaders are defrauding Americans with a completely false narrative of return
2. We Palestinians are direct descendants of the first Judean followers of Jesus
3. A white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settler invader spits on Christianity and every Christian believer
4. A person can only support the Zionist state if he likes to be pick-pocketed by perpetrators of the most outrageous and murderous fraud in history.
They don't do this research- in fact, both papers I read concluded Ashkenazi European Jews had low single digit % of middle eastern Canaanite genes at all. And the one in Spain referred to the European ashkenazis as colonists, and despite his research being absolutely sound and accepted, the article was retracted and he was persecuted just like the president of yale (?) was. That to me is unforgivable- a scientific journal must not retract valid scientific results due to politics- it invalidates the credibility of the journal.
Modern genetics studies show both Palestinians and Sephardic Jews have Canaanite genes- which would make sense. People convert if it means staying alive, conquering involves rape, etc etc, and the programs in Europe decimated the Jewish populations to the point that marrying white European women was the only way forward. This all makes good sense to me...
Zionist propagandists spread a false interpretation of available genetic data. It is important not to become enmeshed in Zionist falsehoods because Zionist propagandists attempt to legitimize, to normalize, and to justify Zionist genocide against Palestinians.
Mark Twain quoted a common 19th century aphorism of unknown origin: “Figures often beguile me… There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
A Zionist propagandist ignores the limitations of PCA to lie about the origins of the Ashkenazi population in order to normalize or to legitimize the genocide of Palestinians. For this reason a Zionist propagandist that asserts the false ancestral homeland claim, should be tried at least for genocide incitement or — I prefer — for conspiracy in genocide. This latter crime is a capital crime without a statute of limitations in US federal law.
The Ashkenazi population can show similar Principal Components with a Levantine population that consists of demes none of which on its own has Principal Components similar to the Principal Components of the Ashkenazi population.
This sort of “false positive for similarity” is a known feature of PCA on genetic data: especially when Zionist propagandists cook the data.
🧠 Intuition (mixtures can land between sources)
PCA places samples so that distances reflect covariance (variance structure). If one group is a mixture of multiple source groups, its cluster can sit between those sources—even if no single source deme matches it.
🧬 Minimal model
Let the Ashkenazi cluster be roughly:
Ashkenazi≈α⋅A+β⋅B
where A and B are different source demes (e.g., a Levantine-like set and a European-like set).
On a PCA plot:
Demes in A occupy one region
Demes in B occupy another
The mixture sits on the line (or plane) between them
👉 No individual deme in A or B has to lie at the Ashkenazi position.
🔍 The specific scenario
A Levantine “population” is itself a set of demes, each somewhat different.
Even if:
none of those Levantine demes sits at the Ashkenazi coordinates,
it is still possible that:
the centroid (or convex combination) of several Levantine-related ancestries (possibly plus non-Levantine input) aligns with the Ashkenazi cluster along the principal components.
⚠️ Why PCA can make this look like “similarity”
PCA captures major axes, not full history
Different histories can project to similar coordinates
Convex hull effect
Mixtures lie inside the polygon spanned by sources
You can be “close to” a region without matching any vertex (deme)
Drift after admixture
A bottlenecked group (like Ashkenazim) can form a tight cluster at a position not occupied by any source deme
Projection artifacts
If some groups are used to compute PCs and others are projected, positions can shift slightly
📊 Geometric picture
Think of Levantine demes as points forming a cloud
European demes as another cloud
Ashkenazim as a tight point/cluster between clouds
That point can be:
near the Levantine cloud overall
but not coincident with any single Levantine deme
🧭 What can be legitimately inferred
From such a PCA pattern, you can say:
There is shared ancestry signal along major variance axes
But you cannot say:
“They match a specific Levantine deme”
“They descend from a single Levantine population unchanged”
📌 Bottom line
Yes. A group can show PCA similarity to a broader regional cluster even if no individual deme within that region matches it, because PCA reflects mixtures and variance structure, not one-to-one population identity.
Specific Case: Ashkenazim Have No Greco-Roman Judean Ancestry!
The Western Roman Jewish Diaspora, from which Ashkenazim are descendants, consisted entirely of Hellenistic, Southern European, Magna Graecian, and Phoenician converts but not of Judean peasants. During the Greco-Roman period Hellenistic and Southern European groups were introduced in the Levant and absorbed into many demes.
Jews in Mesopotamia by the 6th centuy CE were entirely Mesopotamian in origin. (Even at an earlier period, Antiochus Epiphanos of the Hanukkah story treated Jewish Judeans and Jewish Mesopotamians as completely separate groups (ethnoi) that practiced similar or related religions.) Mesopotamian genetics is hard to distinguish from Levantine genetics.
During the Abbasid Period Medieval Jewish trade networks spanned Europe, N. Africa, and Mesopotamia but not Palestine, which had become almost entirely Christian by the 6th century CE.. These trade networks mapped to a Jewish metapopulation, whose subpopulations exchanged individuals and genetics.
There was no Roman Expulsion of Judeans as any competent historian of the Greco-Roman Levant can explain. Medieval and Modern Rabbinic Jews, who are descendants of Jews that participated in the Medieval Jewish trade networks, have no continuity either ethnically or religiously with Greco-Roman Judeans, who never departed from Palestine and became the ancestors of us Palestinians.
About the Khazars
I wrote the following, which is reasonable and defensible
The Khazar conversion is more famous than significant. Not much is known about the Khazars themselves, but the Khazar elite ruled a population that included many groups that descended from non-Judean converts to Judaism including Greeks, Iranians, Armenians, Slavs, and peoples of the Caucasus. The territory of Khazaria was important for Rabbinic Jewish trade in the early Middle Ages. When the Mongols invaded Southwest Asia and sacked Bagdad (February 10, 1258), trade routes were disrupted, and Southwest Asian Jews (all descendants of non-Judean converts to Judaism) migrated through this territory into Eastern Europe. See also Where Did Eastern European Ashkenazim Originate?
That was intense. I will copy and paste this. There is no way I can absorb all this mostly new information in one go! Thanks so much for taking the time e and effort to synopsize this and put it out for everyone.
[PCA concept] Covariance matrix = [Linear algebra analogue] Linear operator
Geometric intuition
The data cloud defines an ellipsoid in R{p}.
Principal components are the axes of that ellipsoid.
These axes are precisely the eigenvectors of the covariance operator.
Extension: SVD viewpoint
If you compute the singular value decomposition:
X=UΣV⊤X
Columns of V principal components (same eigenvectors)
Singular values relate to eigenvalues of X⊤X
Bottom line
A principal component is not merely analogous to an eigenvector—it is an eigenvector of the covariance (or correlation) operator induced by the data distribution.
Principal Components of a Distribution
Principal components of a sample are entirely dependent on the specific sample values. They are data-dependent estimates of the underlying population structure.
Why they depend on the sample
Given a sample X, PCA is computed from the sample covariance matrix:
Σsample=(1/(n−1))X⊤X
Σsample=(1/(n−1))X⊤X:
This matrix is built directly from the observed data points.
Change even one observation → Σsample changes → eigenvectors (principal components) generally change.
Statistical interpretation
The population may have a true covariance operator Σ with “true” eigenvectors.
The sample PCA gives:
eigenvectors of Σsample
which are estimators of the population eigenvectors.
Thus:
Principal components from a sample are random variables (because the sample is random).
Sensitivity properties
Finite samples: PCs can shift noticeably with added/removed observations.
High-dimensional settings (p ≈ n or p > n): PCs can be highly unstable.
Outliers: can strongly distort principal directions (PCA is not robust).
Asymptotics (important nuance)
Under standard conditions:
As n→∞,
Σsample→Σ
The sample eigenvectors converge to the population eigenvectors (up to sign and, in degenerate cases, rotation within eigenspaces).
So:
Small samples → high dependence on specific observations
Large samples → approximate underlying structure
Bottom line
Yes: principal components are fully determined by the sample values.
More precisely:
They are eigenvectors of a sample-dependent operator, and therefore inherit all sampling variability.
The world can have either international law or the Zionist state. Both cannot coexist. Only white racist states want the Zionist state to exist.
Iran is obligated under the CPPCG to close the Strait of Hormuz to any state that recognizes the Zionist state because action to prevent genocide is an erga omnes obligation on all states.
The Zionist state is intrinsically genocidal and will commit genocide as long as it exists.
The case applied the Alien Tort Statute and required detailed understanding of both international anti-genocide law and also US statutory anti-genocide law.
You seem to think that a group subjected to genocide receives a license to perpetrate genocide against another group (i.e., mine).
You are severely ethically challenged — something that is not surprising because you are a white racist genocide supporter.
You seem to think that if a car is stolen, the owner gets a license to steal a car to replace the stolen car.
I put together 5 current definitions of genocide in this short article.
The genocide claim is as fake as the claims to a Palestine pre - Mandate identity. Tell us the language(s), kings and currency of "Palestine" before the British created the Mandate map. You will be forced back to the Bible and Josephus.
I understand. Because we Palestinians are non-whites and non-Europeans, vicious bloodthirsty white racial supremacist European Zionist colonial settler invaders, interlopers, thieves, impostors, and genocide perpetrators have license to murder us, to steal our country, and to rob us of all our property.
The Nuremberg International Tribunal hanged Julius Streicher for this sort of genocide incitement. The world hates and loathes Zionists and supporters of Zionism. It's only a matter of time before the international law is applied to all Zionists everywhere.
It’s important to create a historically-informed critique of Zionism.
Even though the creation of the Zionist state was and remains an obvious violation of jus cogens (the international ban on genocide),
1. too many Americans believe the mendacious claim of the return of the Jews overrides international and US anti-genocide law, and
2. too many Christians are unaware that Judean Biblical Temple Judaism and (Mesopotamian) Rabbinic Judaism are radically different religions.
Alexandrian Hellenistic (Greek language) Judaism differed immensely both from Judean Biblical Temple Judaism and also from Rabbinic Judaism. Alexandrian Biblical Temple Judaism was a post-Temple form of Judaism even while the Jerusalem Temple existed. There was no Roman Expulsion. The peoples of historic Judea Province converted almost entirely to Christianity and then substantially to Islam.
Zionism is a primordialist and essentialist ideology that completely ignores the above facts of the history of Judaism.
To assert an ideology is primordialist and essentialist is to say it treats identities as timeless and natural, and as having fixed inherent qualities, rather than seeing them as historically contingent, diverse, and constructed.
Zionist primordialism and essentialism is used to justify
1. the fabrication of a phoney pan-Judaic ethno-nationality whose historical and national rights are superior to the human and property rights of native Palestinians
2. the invasion of Palestine by white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settlers
3. the theft of the Palestine Mandate from its rightful Palestinian beneficiaries
4. the never ending genocide that racial supremacist Zionist colonial settler invaders planned since 1881 and have put into full operation since Dec 1947.
I grew up British in a 50's adolescence when "motormouth" Colonel Nasser was inspiring Arab ethno-unity and my conscript French cousins were faced with some ultra medieval Arab behaviour. The idea of playing Israel in terms of US Jim Crow racial colour politics just exposes yourselves as wilfully ignorant of the present World and Israel as it is; let alone that half Israeli Jews came fom the Arab World which was as hostile as Tsarist and Nazi Europe. The difference being the European Jews - who are not all that white were refused refuge for the most part and the Jews from the Arab World were given refuge in Israel and have made something of that country as well as themselves.
A lot of your pike evidently flows from the failure of the Palestine Arabs to make anything of themselves since1948 in spite of then having had a million people on the ground and most of the then cultivable land - and a billon dollars (current values) a year in UNWRA aid since 1950.
Now some of your theories about Jews, Israel and the West are evidently stuck in the years before 1945 - and faulty with it - and one way or another you are defying the self determination of individuals and a population(s). Eventually whatever our parents, we make (un)consciously choices to be what we are and as for property rights: the Patriarchs Abraham, Jacob and King David BOUGHT and so did the Zionist Jews. The Koranic Arabs took "by the strength of their right arms " and in 1948 tried to steal what they had sold, "for a mess of pottage."
They deserved the result of their choice of arbitration by battle and if they had had any sense would have made a peace treaty by 1967 to lock Israel West of the Green Line. At least those are the precedents of the way the English and French dealt with the Norse invasions - or the French with the Allied and German vctories of 1815 and 1870. Problem is the arrogance of those who effectively reject anything if it is not in the Koran or Hadith.
The patriarchs only existed in the psychopathic imagination of the rabbis, and you can wave the deeds that "prove" that they BOUGHT the land (LOL) to Iranian missile operators.
The Genocide claims are not false. Genocidal Charges are based on parameters established after WWll in order to prosecute the perpetrators of the Final Solution. They included such things as destruction of infrastructure to include hospitals, schools and utilities. Also included is the killing of medical staff, utilities workers and teachers/educators. All of these are used by lsreal today under guise of killing terrorists.
6 months ago no-one would have entertained us saying Israel should not exist, but right now most people agree with this sentiment. Wow, that is spectacular isn’t it?
It is but horrifying and a crime of crimes that hubdreds of housands of Palestinians being imprisoned tortured killed in a year for 80 years before Israel blamed at last. Without mobile phone cameras to film the sadistic slaughters no doubt this latest genocide would also be covered up by those in power
I am not aware that the dismantling of any state or empire has ever left World peace. Try Latin America and its post Spanish wars. Try the Indo-Pak wars and the Russia - Ukraine war. Then take a shufti at Ireland and what happened when the Roman and Ottoman Empires broke.
Just as defeat and dismantling of Nazi Germany made the world a better place, defeat and dismantling of the Zionist state will make the world a better place. In addition, every Zionist on the planet will have to be hunted down, tried and convicted for genocide, stripped of all wealth, and sent to prison or to the gallows.
Agreed, the historical examples are accurate - empire dissolutions have often created violent power vacuums rather than peace. However, this doesn't mean empires should remain, as they inherently oppress conquered peoples as we see with Israel-Palestine. The real issue is how transitions to self-determination are managed. History shows peaceful transitions are rare but possible with gradual power transfer, inclusive institutions, and stability during the change. Each situation, including Israel-Palestine, has unique factors that determine outcomes beyond simple historical parallels.
British India was handed over peacefully - one of the great achievements of the Atlee government and being 84 I remember as a witness that most of British Africa was handed independence without a war.
To whom would you hand Israel West of the green line? Israel both in 1967 and in the Oslo tried to effect a reasonable offer ruined in 67 - 77 by Yasser Arafat's romanticism of violence and ruined at Oslo by Hamas bus bombs.
An Arab Palestine of whatever size would like Lebanon and the precedents of the region be an unstable failed state but that is their privilege to go to Hell as they wish. What is NOT their right is to try to rub Israel off the map in 1948 nor since.
While British India and parts of Africa may have had peaceful transitions, Palestine's experience was the Nakba! Systematic displacement of 750,000 people and what many historians call ethnic cleansing. This isn't ancient history but ongoing trauma. The current reality includes illegal occupation, settlement expansion, and what human rights organizations describe as apartheid. Israel's continued land appropriation. When we see home demolitions, military checkpoints restricting movement, and disproportionate force against civilian populations, it's difficult to characterize this as anything other than oppression. Passing a law to execute only Palestinian prisoners is nothing but racism against a particular people, the indigenous people of the land. This is beyond political debates, we're seeing real human suffering: children growing up under occupation, farmers losing their land, children being arrested! Babies being tortured! These human tragedies demand recognition, the human cost is what matters most. We cannot accept such a disgusting genocidal practises by a nation and society as normal. So yes, Israel needs to be dismantled!
The dispersal of civilians in battle areas is part of the scenery. Battlefields are NOT Dixon of Dock Green dewy eyed British civil policing. Those who wished to drive the Jews into the sea as intended policy and said so, are the Palestine Arabs' leaders in 1948 1967 and since.
King Hussein;s 67 speech to kill all Jews was rebroadcast on BBC news and do NOT try to gaslight me at 84 that I did NOT hear it. Israel is legally in Judea and Samaria because Jordan shelled Jerusalem - and Tel Aviv - in 1967 and then refused bone headedly to make a peace till his own Arab subjects dumped him in the first intifada. As for the current troubles your friends shoulld not have committed the 7th Oct '23 massacre - with eventual intent again to genocide Jewish Israel by death or exile. You get what you dish out.
This "dislodging," psychologically and politically, is already happening in the hearts and minds of many Jews and former Jews, including myself. This is work that must be done, at long last.
"From the beginning of its existence, Israel has always pursued its own agenda, despite the West’s generous support, "
Unfortunately, this is the "tail wags the dog" meme which is false. The "West" is very happy with Israel. It was established in the middle of West Asia to bring chaos to the region so that the "true owners" of "The West", the capitalist billionaires, could use crime and corruption and intrigue to steal the wealth of those nations.
The "deep state" (which includes criminal organizations -- no billionaire is free of criminality) camouflages its efforts behind the false-flag of Israel. If the billionaires didn't want Bibi to do it, they have more than enough influence in the White House to stop support for Israel.
So your idea of getting any combination of nations to dismantle Israel is a very faint hope.
The "best hope" right now appears to be that the IDF continue to exhaust itself in its genocides in Gaza and Lebanon, and the surrounding Arab nations be freed of their tyrannical monarchies, and the people rise up to destroy Israel.
Anything less and Israel will be propped up again by the 40% of US billionaires who are Jews even though Jews are only 2% of the American population.
BS. China is still on track for about 5% growth this year. The real estate “crisis “ has been resolved. China doesn’t have recessions. Don’t BS us with that crap billionaires finance numbskulls like Paul Krugman to feed to the gullible so they can continue their capitalist criminal agenda.
But then you expose your ignorance by repeating the myth about Israel.
Your third and fourth statements are not evidenced. China is in a part depression at the moment because it has overbuilt homes and infrastructure. Note in passing that it is in nobody's interest to create a depression/recession. They happen just because the World economy is too complicated to avoid. They are NOT deliberately "engineered".
As regards Israel it has pursued its agendas like all other countries do and owes them precious little because in 1948 Israel was thrown to the wolves like the Jewish Diaspora was in 1939 - 45. Israel was NOT created to create chaos - Arabs and great powers are quite good at chaos - BUT as a refuge for the Holocaust survivors and the Jews expelled from the Arab World in 1949 (Israeli independence) - 62 (Algerian independence).
A clear, uncompromising piece that forces readers to confront questions often avoided rather than resolved. Whether one agrees or not, Ghada Karmi articulates a coherent argument grounded in history, law, and lived reality, challenging the assumption that incremental reform can address what she presents as a structural problem. It is precisely this willingness to move beyond familiar frameworks that makes the article both provocative and necessary reading.
Even if I spent 100 years writing this idea, I wouldn't be able to write it better. This crazy entity destroyed my grandmother's life and created my psychopathic family. This little family is just one among millions, all genocidal, all deprived of any empathy, these are monsters walking on two legs, who look like us but we have nothing in common with. After it's gone, this "Israel" thing must be remembered for only one thing: a proof that monsters do exist and can he created easily, even from the same victims of other monsters. Let it be the last creation of monsters on this little fragile planet 💔
It’s important to recognize the US history of apartheid and constant domestic and international violence. Perhaps the key is to break the US oligarchy and empire first, and the dissolution of the Zionist Israeli government will inevitably follow?
Then the Sunnis and Shi'ites will continue to rip themselves - and the World apart.
Remember the Ottoman empire was a by word for stagnation after the death of Suleiman the Magnificent's imposition of his edition of the Sharia and banning of the printing press.
this is not a defense for an expansionist appartheid state that has no moral compass in the kidnapping, torture, organ theft and the murder of women, men and children and whose reach is manipulating/blackmailing most western societies. one does not justify the other. i don't agree regarding the reach of sunni/shi'ite conflict and such conflicts can be addressed separately. there is no justification for any entity that commits genocide and as such needs to be ended. to allow them is to embrace the further moral degradation of humanity.
This was NOT composed as a defence of Israel as your ignorant insults would take too much time to no purpose.
What I did wish to caution you about is to beware of what you pray for.
The classic example -especially as we are talking about religious bigotries - is how the Byzantine Empire shifted its support from the Khazars holding the Caspain Gap to sponsoring a Christian Russian Kievan state. Then the Turks turned up on their doorstep - from both directions.
Remember Valery Grossman's line in "Life and Fate": Tell me what you accuse the Jews of and I shall tell you what you are guilty of."
there are no ignorant insults. you had to make it personal instead of discussing facts and perspective. look in the mirror for the ignorance. you are done getting the chance to talk to me due to your inability to remain respectful.
I hesitate to add, dismantled rather than destroyed. Realistically speaking it is the state that is the problem. Under Capitalism the state pursues wealth not justice. We should call for the dismantling of the racist colonial capitalist state. But we MUST also envision some sort of future for ordinary people otherwise we are contributing to the violence.
Yes, but perhaps beyond that is the NO-state solution. My point is that the state IS the problem. The Israeli state has turned the occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine into a for-profit business under neoliberalism. In fact I am about to publish a short podcast on that today.
I think we need to approach that as if they are in a frenzy or trance, fanned by politicians. People haven't truly learned to think for themselves and within the context of so-calloed "democracy" they do not see a possibility for taking power and creating solutions themselves. I know it sounds as if I am excusing Fascist behaviour but we need to be realistic; we can't just say that because Israelis voted for this kind of politics we have a right to throw them all in the sea. We have a duty to impose a solution on them, just as we would with children fighting. In fact it is the entire world that has failed them by allowing Israel to evolve a political course they can no longer alter. And ordinary people are stuck in the middle, just like everywhere else. Do you have any political influence where you live?
I am 84 and that sort of talk is exactly the sort of pro-Imperial justification we were served at school as late as the 1956 Suez affair to explain the British Empire.
The principal reason why there is instability across the Fertile Crescent is the failure (because of oil and the Cold War) to oblige the Arab neighbours of Israel to sign a peace treaty between 1947 - 67.
We have instability in the ME because one year after the international community banned genocide and made this ban jus cogens (a peremptory nonderogable norm of international law), the white raciest states gave vicious bloodthirsty white racial supremacist European Zionist colonial settler invaders a pass to commit its long planned mass murder genocide against the native population of Palestine (including my family). Every since the Zionist state has been suppurating cancerous tumor on the face of the Earth.
Genocide is an international capital crime without a statute of limitations. 84 is not too old to be tried and convicted for genocide incitement and conspiracy. I would be happy to try you in a Nuremberg-style International tribunal. I would seek the death penalty for you just as Julius Streicher received.
Every claim of Zionism is a lie.
The Ptolemies had a policy of creating Hellenistic versions of religions in the Ptolemaic Empire. Cult of Isis, Cult of Serapis, and Hellenistic Judaism seem to be such creations. The Pentateuch expresses concerns and ideas associated more with Plato and Hellenism than with Judean culture, which at the beginning of the Empire was almost certainly a polytheist Yahwism like the religion of Elephantine.
There was probably high early adoption of Hellenistic Judaism among Greeks. We don’t see any connections between Alexandrian Jews and the small existing Judean communities in Leontopolis or Tahpanhes (Daphnae).
Leading families like Philo’s did not speak Hebrew or Aramaic and don’t ever seem to have visited the Jerusalem Temple or the Oniad Temple.
Alexandrian Hellenistic Judaism in the 3rd century BCE looks like post-70 CE synagogue Judaism. There is no evidence of popular practice of Pentateuchal Judaism in Judea before the Hasmoneans in the 2nd century BCE. Alexandrian Judaism was a major innovative center of Judaism before Judea or Mesopotamia.
Matrilineality, priah, and a system for conversion all seem to originate in Alexandria. The creativity of Judea Province can be found in Pharaseeism, Judean Christianity, and Tannaitic interpretations.
Babylonian Judaism created the legal structures that makes Rabbinic Judaism a religion that is customized for a transnational commercial financial stratum.
This understanding of Greco-Roman Judaism explains Rabbinic Judaism.
For example, Sephardi Jews start with primary ancestry among Greek and Phoenician colonies in N. Africa and then connect with a trading metapopulation that is centered in Babylonia/Mesopotamia. This model explains Sephardi genetics perfectly.
A similar model applies to Ashkenazim.
Neither Ashkenazim nor Sephardim are descendants of Greco-Roman Judeans, who are ancestors of us Palestinians.
The states of the West though imperfect have slowly pursued justice and votes are superior in this to the coups and executive hereditary monarchs of the Moslem World.
Dismantle Isreal now and end US empire
ubettcha, just give me a moment or two
How does that do anything abut the 30 000 US forces in Germany and ditto South Korea?
It sounds like 5,000 of them are going home asap. Maybe this will be the new pattern. Trump will keep getting offended and send another 5,000 GI’s home. It shouldn’t take him long to clear out Germany! But his choice of units is not logical.
Doesnt and not supposed to. Why should it? As a non-American - to me it is up to the American people and the people of the occupied regions to get rid of the American bases - who were never about 'freedom and democracy' and always about capitalism's profit maximization.
When a colonial entity’s creation, survival and expansion depend on the ethnic cleansing of a native population, is there ever an alternative to dismantling it?
1) Colony of which Empire?
2) When does the clock start and end for dismantling eligibility?
3) Arabs are from Arabia… why are they ruling land outside of Arabia?
The Zionist movement is a worldwide criminal organization that must be neutralized. Every propagandist for Zionism must be included in this neutralization.
https://handalacrucified.substack.com/p/the-zionist-state-as-a-colony-of?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=5fh12k
Absolutely agree. To me, it is merely a particularly nasty form of fascism that is essentially Naziism on steroids.
They speak Arabic in the MiddleEast because it is the lingua franca. Study history.
....and it is lingua franca (are you aware of the irony?) because of Arab military imperialism, Arab culltural imperialism and Arab religious imperialism of the Koran as voiced by Bin Laden, Caliph Baghdadi and others to conquer the entire World. " Nobody likes armed missionnaries," Robespierre
I'm not endorsing Imperialism. I was stating a fact of history.
1) Not all colonies have to be the colony of an Empire. Shlomo Sand deals with this question in The Invention of Israel. Certain phases of the Israeli settler colonisation project closely resembled France’s colonisation of Algeria.
2) Now. And when it’s done.
3) Being an Arab is defined by a combination of linguistic and cultural factors, not ancestry. The Arabs of Morocco, say, had and still have more in common with the Jews of Morocco than the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula - they’re both predominantly Berber.
If you really think “Arabs are from Arabia” you are way out of your depth here and should go back to playing with your friends Barbie and Ken.
You have iin effect re-asserted personal self determination regardless of inheritance. Jews are Jews and as entitled to a state of their own as Pakistan where the only common denominator of a failed, unstable and dangerous state is the Moslem identiity of most inhabitants who are beastly to their Christian minority.
Jews are fakes.
Arabs definitionally originated in Arabia. Jews definitionally originated in Judea. The ethnicities are from those 2 distinct locations. That's the ethnogenesis.
You didn't answer question 2. When does the clock start for being eligible for dismantling, and when has enough time gone where it's no longer a viable option? Could be 50 years. 100 years. 1000 years. 5000 years. Curious on your thoughts.
Colony has a parent State. France was the parent state of the Empire. England was the parent state of the Empire.
Israel isn't a colony of another Nation. If you argue that Britain was the Empire, then you'd also say the same thing for Pakistan, India, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan.
Israel exists. Will continue to exist. Our fate will be decided and defended by our own hands. No longer will any group be in control of our destiny. Why did the Arab nations fail in 48, 56, 67, and 73? Why did Hamas fail on October 7th? Why did the Arab nations fail when Hamas, Hezzbolah, IRGC, and Houthis attacked Israel? Because we defend ourselves. Our lives, in our hands.
I presume you mean “definitely” rather than “definitionally”. Yes, the Arabs who originally originated in Arabia did indeed originally originate in Arabia. But the “Arabs” you’re referring from are not those Arabs. The number of peninsula Arabs who left the peninsula and spread across North Africa and what are now Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq was tiny - estimated at 10-20,000. They intermarried with local populations and imposed their language (Arabic) and religion (Islam, but not on Jews and Christians, who remained Jews and Christians but became Arabic-speaking), creating “Arabs” who are the predominantly the descendants of the existing populations, not the peninsula Arabs.
And no, the Jews did not originate in Judea. Where on earth did you go to school? Abraham (have you heard of Abraham? AKA Avram?) emigrated from Ur of the Chaldees in Mesopotamia (now Iraq) with his family. The Hebrews, and what became Judaism, were foreign to what is now Palestine, via Egypt. They had to slaughter their way into the land (so that hasn’t changed, eh?).
Question 2 isn’t interesting.
England and France were the parent states of their colonies and Empires. But you don’t have to have an empire or even a parent state to found a colony and send settlers.
Scotland is not an empire or a parent state, but in the early 18th century some Scots thought it would be a good idea to found a settler colony in South America. They raised a huge amount of money, bought land and founded a settler colony in Panama. It was called the Darien Venture. It was a disaster, nearly everyone died of illness, they got attacked by the Spanish, and the investors lost their capital (equivalent to half of Scotland’s capital at the time).
A bit like Israel in many ways. Wait till the Americans pull their money.
The Scots then went on to do very well and did most of the admn and defence of the British Empire starting with the tobacco barons of Gasgow that funded the Scottish Enlightenment and the domination of steam technology trains and ships.
Israel survived ts first two decaades when it was weakest and most fragile without US government money and without US active support. People do not just keel over witness the wasteful prolongation of the Arab contest with Israeli exisitence that has stopped Arab development .
You probably think all muslins are Arabs! Right?
No. All Arabs aren't Muslims. All Muslims aren't Arabs.
There are Christian Arabs, Muslims Arabs, Druze Arabsz etc.
You forgot to mention Arab Jews!
Israel has become the source of hate & division among the Arabian states & is ALWAYS stirring up more violence and hatred….they must go or no peace will prevail.!!!
So cheerio to the USA and every other Amerrican state as well as Australia, New Zealand and S. Africa?? Then see where you bread will come from without the wheat and other food markets?
Why? I dont follow ylur logic. There were thriving indigenious cultures all over the world prior to the formation of empires. Particularly nasty have been the various capitalist ones.
When I point out that genetic anthropological data, paleography, epigraphy, Greco-Roman texts, Abbasid texts, archaeology, numismatics, etc. all indicate that modern Rabbinic Jews do not have Greco-Roman Judean ancestors, a Zionist colonial settler invader propagandist claims that I am antisemitic because I am denying Jewish identity — something I am not doing because Jewish identity is not dependent on descent from a Greco-Roman Judean ancestor.
When someone else claims on the basis of methodically and mathematically questionable genetic anthropological papers that modern Jews have Canaanite ancestors, the Zionist colonial settler invader propagandist rejoices even though the false claim of Canaanite ancestry directly gainsays the Jewish conception of the identity of am yisrael (עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל) because the Children of Israel were commanded to extirpate Canaanites.
The white racial supremacist propagandist only cares about the validation of false Zionist propaganda and claims that allege:
1. There was a Roman expulsion
2. The ongoing never ending genocide of native Palestinians in Palestine must be considered the return of a population that was expelled 2000 years ago.
This framing is important to the white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settler invader because Zionists believe that the claim of return overrides international and US federal anti-genocide law.
In the context of the Zionist invasion of Palestine, the false claim of modern Rabbinic Jewish descent from Greco-Roman Judean ancestors is legally tantamount to direct and public incitement of genocide.
The claim of return is not a cognizable defense to an accusation of genocide. Anti-genocide law (unlike international maritime law of an international waterway) is non-derogable and not subject to negotiation.
Because I have given up explaining the meaning of jus cogens to Americans, I now emphasize:
1. Zionist colonial settler invaders are defrauding Americans with a completely false narrative of return
2. We Palestinians are direct descendants of the first Judean followers of Jesus
3. A white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settler invader spits on Christianity and every Christian believer
4. A person can only support the Zionist state if he likes to be pick-pocketed by perpetrators of the most outrageous and murderous fraud in history.
Well said. I wholeheartedly agree.
Me too - an implementation of Edward Bernays 'Big Lie' technigue outlined in his tiny book ' PROPAGANDA'.
They don't do this research- in fact, both papers I read concluded Ashkenazi European Jews had low single digit % of middle eastern Canaanite genes at all. And the one in Spain referred to the European ashkenazis as colonists, and despite his research being absolutely sound and accepted, the article was retracted and he was persecuted just like the president of yale (?) was. That to me is unforgivable- a scientific journal must not retract valid scientific results due to politics- it invalidates the credibility of the journal.
Very much so!
Modern genetics studies show both Palestinians and Sephardic Jews have Canaanite genes- which would make sense. People convert if it means staying alive, conquering involves rape, etc etc, and the programs in Europe decimated the Jewish populations to the point that marrying white European women was the only way forward. This all makes good sense to me...
Zionist propagandists spread a false interpretation of available genetic data. It is important not to become enmeshed in Zionist falsehoods because Zionist propagandists attempt to legitimize, to normalize, and to justify Zionist genocide against Palestinians.
Mark Twain quoted a common 19th century aphorism of unknown origin: “Figures often beguile me… There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
A Zionist propagandist ignores the limitations of PCA to lie about the origins of the Ashkenazi population in order to normalize or to legitimize the genocide of Palestinians. For this reason a Zionist propagandist that asserts the false ancestral homeland claim, should be tried at least for genocide incitement or — I prefer — for conspiracy in genocide. This latter crime is a capital crime without a statute of limitations in US federal law.
The Ashkenazi population can show similar Principal Components with a Levantine population that consists of demes none of which on its own has Principal Components similar to the Principal Components of the Ashkenazi population.
This sort of “false positive for similarity” is a known feature of PCA on genetic data: especially when Zionist propagandists cook the data.
🧠 Intuition (mixtures can land between sources)
PCA places samples so that distances reflect covariance (variance structure). If one group is a mixture of multiple source groups, its cluster can sit between those sources—even if no single source deme matches it.
🧬 Minimal model
Let the Ashkenazi cluster be roughly:
Ashkenazi≈α⋅A+β⋅B
where A and B are different source demes (e.g., a Levantine-like set and a European-like set).
On a PCA plot:
Demes in A occupy one region
Demes in B occupy another
The mixture sits on the line (or plane) between them
👉 No individual deme in A or B has to lie at the Ashkenazi position.
🔍 The specific scenario
A Levantine “population” is itself a set of demes, each somewhat different.
Even if:
none of those Levantine demes sits at the Ashkenazi coordinates,
it is still possible that:
the centroid (or convex combination) of several Levantine-related ancestries (possibly plus non-Levantine input) aligns with the Ashkenazi cluster along the principal components.
⚠️ Why PCA can make this look like “similarity”
PCA captures major axes, not full history
Different histories can project to similar coordinates
Convex hull effect
Mixtures lie inside the polygon spanned by sources
You can be “close to” a region without matching any vertex (deme)
Drift after admixture
A bottlenecked group (like Ashkenazim) can form a tight cluster at a position not occupied by any source deme
Projection artifacts
If some groups are used to compute PCs and others are projected, positions can shift slightly
📊 Geometric picture
Think of Levantine demes as points forming a cloud
European demes as another cloud
Ashkenazim as a tight point/cluster between clouds
That point can be:
near the Levantine cloud overall
but not coincident with any single Levantine deme
🧭 What can be legitimately inferred
From such a PCA pattern, you can say:
There is shared ancestry signal along major variance axes
But you cannot say:
“They match a specific Levantine deme”
“They descend from a single Levantine population unchanged”
📌 Bottom line
Yes. A group can show PCA similarity to a broader regional cluster even if no individual deme within that region matches it, because PCA reflects mixtures and variance structure, not one-to-one population identity.
Specific Case: Ashkenazim Have No Greco-Roman Judean Ancestry!
The Western Roman Jewish Diaspora, from which Ashkenazim are descendants, consisted entirely of Hellenistic, Southern European, Magna Graecian, and Phoenician converts but not of Judean peasants. During the Greco-Roman period Hellenistic and Southern European groups were introduced in the Levant and absorbed into many demes.
Jews in Mesopotamia by the 6th centuy CE were entirely Mesopotamian in origin. (Even at an earlier period, Antiochus Epiphanos of the Hanukkah story treated Jewish Judeans and Jewish Mesopotamians as completely separate groups (ethnoi) that practiced similar or related religions.) Mesopotamian genetics is hard to distinguish from Levantine genetics.
During the Abbasid Period Medieval Jewish trade networks spanned Europe, N. Africa, and Mesopotamia but not Palestine, which had become almost entirely Christian by the 6th century CE.. These trade networks mapped to a Jewish metapopulation, whose subpopulations exchanged individuals and genetics.
There was no Roman Expulsion of Judeans as any competent historian of the Greco-Roman Levant can explain. Medieval and Modern Rabbinic Jews, who are descendants of Jews that participated in the Medieval Jewish trade networks, have no continuity either ethnically or religiously with Greco-Roman Judeans, who never departed from Palestine and became the ancestors of us Palestinians.
About the Khazars
I wrote the following, which is reasonable and defensible
The Khazar conversion is more famous than significant. Not much is known about the Khazars themselves, but the Khazar elite ruled a population that included many groups that descended from non-Judean converts to Judaism including Greeks, Iranians, Armenians, Slavs, and peoples of the Caucasus. The territory of Khazaria was important for Rabbinic Jewish trade in the early Middle Ages. When the Mongols invaded Southwest Asia and sacked Bagdad (February 10, 1258), trade routes were disrupted, and Southwest Asian Jews (all descendants of non-Judean converts to Judaism) migrated through this territory into Eastern Europe. See also Where Did Eastern European Ashkenazim Originate?
https://handalacrucified.substack.com/p/where-did-eastern-european-ashkenazim
That was intense. I will copy and paste this. There is no way I can absorb all this mostly new information in one go! Thanks so much for taking the time e and effort to synopsize this and put it out for everyone.
Zionist propagandists are trying to baffle the public with pseudoscientific bullshit.
I should point you to the starting point for thinking about PCA.
Principal Component of a Statistic Distribution versus Eigenvector of a Linear Operator
A principal component is exactly an eigenvector, but of a specific operator derived from the data: the covariance (or correlation) matrix.
Formal correspondence
Let X∈R{n×p} your data matrix (rows = observations, columns = variables), typically mean-centered.
Define the covariance matrix:
Σ=(1/(n−1))X⊤X
Then principal components are obtained by solving:
Σv=λv
Σv=λv:
v: principal component direction (an eigenvector)
λ: variance explained along that direction (eigenvalue)
Interpretation
The covariance matrix Σ is a linear operator on the feature space.
A principal component is an eigenvector of this operator.
The associated eigenvalue gives the variance captured in that direction.
So the analogy is not just heuristic—it is exact:
[PCA concept] Principal component direction = [Linear algebra analogue] Eigenvector
[PCA concept] Variance explained = [Linear algebra analogue] Eigenvalue
[PCA concept] Covariance matrix = [Linear algebra analogue] Linear operator
Geometric intuition
The data cloud defines an ellipsoid in R{p}.
Principal components are the axes of that ellipsoid.
These axes are precisely the eigenvectors of the covariance operator.
Extension: SVD viewpoint
If you compute the singular value decomposition:
X=UΣV⊤X
Columns of V principal components (same eigenvectors)
Singular values relate to eigenvalues of X⊤X
Bottom line
A principal component is not merely analogous to an eigenvector—it is an eigenvector of the covariance (or correlation) operator induced by the data distribution.
Principal Components of a Distribution
Principal components of a sample are entirely dependent on the specific sample values. They are data-dependent estimates of the underlying population structure.
Why they depend on the sample
Given a sample X, PCA is computed from the sample covariance matrix:
Σsample=(1/(n−1))X⊤X
Σsample=(1/(n−1))X⊤X:
This matrix is built directly from the observed data points.
Change even one observation → Σsample changes → eigenvectors (principal components) generally change.
Statistical interpretation
The population may have a true covariance operator Σ with “true” eigenvectors.
The sample PCA gives:
eigenvectors of Σsample
which are estimators of the population eigenvectors.
Thus:
Principal components from a sample are random variables (because the sample is random).
Sensitivity properties
Finite samples: PCs can shift noticeably with added/removed observations.
High-dimensional settings (p ≈ n or p > n): PCs can be highly unstable.
Outliers: can strongly distort principal directions (PCA is not robust).
Asymptotics (important nuance)
Under standard conditions:
As n→∞,
Σsample→Σ
The sample eigenvectors converge to the population eigenvectors (up to sign and, in degenerate cases, rotation within eigenspaces).
So:
Small samples → high dependence on specific observations
Large samples → approximate underlying structure
Bottom line
Yes: principal components are fully determined by the sample values.
More precisely:
They are eigenvectors of a sample-dependent operator, and therefore inherit all sampling variability.
Arrest Netnyhu!!
The world can have either international law or the Zionist state. Both cannot coexist. Only white racist states want the Zionist state to exist.
Iran is obligated under the CPPCG to close the Strait of Hormuz to any state that recognizes the Zionist state because action to prevent genocide is an erga omnes obligation on all states.
The Zionist state is intrinsically genocidal and will commit genocide as long as it exists.
You used the genocide multiple times. Is genocide when bad things happen? Is all war genocide?
Genocide has clear legal definition. Every Zionist on the planet must be arrested and tried as a probable perpetrator of genocide.
https://handalacrucified.substack.com/p/five-legal-definitions-of-genocide?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=5fh12k
Have you checked what is actually the international law in contrast to what is claimed to be international law?
I participated in a US federal genocide case: AL-TAMIMI v. ADELSON (1:16-cv-00445).
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4214523/al-tamimi-v-adelson/
The case applied the Alien Tort Statute and required detailed understanding of both international anti-genocide law and also US statutory anti-genocide law.
You seem to think that a group subjected to genocide receives a license to perpetrate genocide against another group (i.e., mine).
You are severely ethically challenged — something that is not surprising because you are a white racist genocide supporter.
You seem to think that if a car is stolen, the owner gets a license to steal a car to replace the stolen car.
I put together 5 current definitions of genocide in this short article.
https://handalacrucified.substack.com/p/five-legal-definitions-of-genocide?r=5fh12k&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
The genocide claim is as fake as the claims to a Palestine pre - Mandate identity. Tell us the language(s), kings and currency of "Palestine" before the British created the Mandate map. You will be forced back to the Bible and Josephus.
I understand. Because we Palestinians are non-whites and non-Europeans, vicious bloodthirsty white racial supremacist European Zionist colonial settler invaders, interlopers, thieves, impostors, and genocide perpetrators have license to murder us, to steal our country, and to rob us of all our property.
The Nuremberg International Tribunal hanged Julius Streicher for this sort of genocide incitement. The world hates and loathes Zionists and supporters of Zionism. It's only a matter of time before the international law is applied to all Zionists everywhere.
It’s important to create a historically-informed critique of Zionism.
Even though the creation of the Zionist state was and remains an obvious violation of jus cogens (the international ban on genocide),
1. too many Americans believe the mendacious claim of the return of the Jews overrides international and US anti-genocide law, and
2. too many Christians are unaware that Judean Biblical Temple Judaism and (Mesopotamian) Rabbinic Judaism are radically different religions.
Alexandrian Hellenistic (Greek language) Judaism differed immensely both from Judean Biblical Temple Judaism and also from Rabbinic Judaism. Alexandrian Biblical Temple Judaism was a post-Temple form of Judaism even while the Jerusalem Temple existed. There was no Roman Expulsion. The peoples of historic Judea Province converted almost entirely to Christianity and then substantially to Islam.
Zionism is a primordialist and essentialist ideology that completely ignores the above facts of the history of Judaism.
To assert an ideology is primordialist and essentialist is to say it treats identities as timeless and natural, and as having fixed inherent qualities, rather than seeing them as historically contingent, diverse, and constructed.
Zionist primordialism and essentialism is used to justify
1. the fabrication of a phoney pan-Judaic ethno-nationality whose historical and national rights are superior to the human and property rights of native Palestinians
2. the invasion of Palestine by white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settlers
3. the theft of the Palestine Mandate from its rightful Palestinian beneficiaries
4. the never ending genocide that racial supremacist Zionist colonial settler invaders planned since 1881 and have put into full operation since Dec 1947.
https://handalacrucified.substack.com/p/the-false-zionist-narrative-that-96e?r=5fh12k&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I grew up British in a 50's adolescence when "motormouth" Colonel Nasser was inspiring Arab ethno-unity and my conscript French cousins were faced with some ultra medieval Arab behaviour. The idea of playing Israel in terms of US Jim Crow racial colour politics just exposes yourselves as wilfully ignorant of the present World and Israel as it is; let alone that half Israeli Jews came fom the Arab World which was as hostile as Tsarist and Nazi Europe. The difference being the European Jews - who are not all that white were refused refuge for the most part and the Jews from the Arab World were given refuge in Israel and have made something of that country as well as themselves.
A lot of your pike evidently flows from the failure of the Palestine Arabs to make anything of themselves since1948 in spite of then having had a million people on the ground and most of the then cultivable land - and a billon dollars (current values) a year in UNWRA aid since 1950.
Now some of your theories about Jews, Israel and the West are evidently stuck in the years before 1945 - and faulty with it - and one way or another you are defying the self determination of individuals and a population(s). Eventually whatever our parents, we make (un)consciously choices to be what we are and as for property rights: the Patriarchs Abraham, Jacob and King David BOUGHT and so did the Zionist Jews. The Koranic Arabs took "by the strength of their right arms " and in 1948 tried to steal what they had sold, "for a mess of pottage."
They deserved the result of their choice of arbitration by battle and if they had had any sense would have made a peace treaty by 1967 to lock Israel West of the Green Line. At least those are the precedents of the way the English and French dealt with the Norse invasions - or the French with the Allied and German vctories of 1815 and 1870. Problem is the arrogance of those who effectively reject anything if it is not in the Koran or Hadith.
The patriarchs only existed in the psychopathic imagination of the rabbis, and you can wave the deeds that "prove" that they BOUGHT the land (LOL) to Iranian missile operators.
The genocide is very real but your humanity appears to be fake. Your parasitical nature is showing. I don't think your rabbi can help.
The Genocide claims are not false. Genocidal Charges are based on parameters established after WWll in order to prosecute the perpetrators of the Final Solution. They included such things as destruction of infrastructure to include hospitals, schools and utilities. Also included is the killing of medical staff, utilities workers and teachers/educators. All of these are used by lsreal today under guise of killing terrorists.
Shut up.
6 months ago no-one would have entertained us saying Israel should not exist, but right now most people agree with this sentiment. Wow, that is spectacular isn’t it?
It is but horrifying and a crime of crimes that hubdreds of housands of Palestinians being imprisoned tortured killed in a year for 80 years before Israel blamed at last. Without mobile phone cameras to film the sadistic slaughters no doubt this latest genocide would also be covered up by those in power
Yep. You are right.
You could not be more right! Israel was created on false pretences. It must be dismantled if we are to world peace!
I am not aware that the dismantling of any state or empire has ever left World peace. Try Latin America and its post Spanish wars. Try the Indo-Pak wars and the Russia - Ukraine war. Then take a shufti at Ireland and what happened when the Roman and Ottoman Empires broke.
Just as defeat and dismantling of Nazi Germany made the world a better place, defeat and dismantling of the Zionist state will make the world a better place. In addition, every Zionist on the planet will have to be hunted down, tried and convicted for genocide, stripped of all wealth, and sent to prison or to the gallows.
Agreed, the historical examples are accurate - empire dissolutions have often created violent power vacuums rather than peace. However, this doesn't mean empires should remain, as they inherently oppress conquered peoples as we see with Israel-Palestine. The real issue is how transitions to self-determination are managed. History shows peaceful transitions are rare but possible with gradual power transfer, inclusive institutions, and stability during the change. Each situation, including Israel-Palestine, has unique factors that determine outcomes beyond simple historical parallels.
British India was handed over peacefully - one of the great achievements of the Atlee government and being 84 I remember as a witness that most of British Africa was handed independence without a war.
To whom would you hand Israel West of the green line? Israel both in 1967 and in the Oslo tried to effect a reasonable offer ruined in 67 - 77 by Yasser Arafat's romanticism of violence and ruined at Oslo by Hamas bus bombs.
An Arab Palestine of whatever size would like Lebanon and the precedents of the region be an unstable failed state but that is their privilege to go to Hell as they wish. What is NOT their right is to try to rub Israel off the map in 1948 nor since.
While British India and parts of Africa may have had peaceful transitions, Palestine's experience was the Nakba! Systematic displacement of 750,000 people and what many historians call ethnic cleansing. This isn't ancient history but ongoing trauma. The current reality includes illegal occupation, settlement expansion, and what human rights organizations describe as apartheid. Israel's continued land appropriation. When we see home demolitions, military checkpoints restricting movement, and disproportionate force against civilian populations, it's difficult to characterize this as anything other than oppression. Passing a law to execute only Palestinian prisoners is nothing but racism against a particular people, the indigenous people of the land. This is beyond political debates, we're seeing real human suffering: children growing up under occupation, farmers losing their land, children being arrested! Babies being tortured! These human tragedies demand recognition, the human cost is what matters most. We cannot accept such a disgusting genocidal practises by a nation and society as normal. So yes, Israel needs to be dismantled!
The dispersal of civilians in battle areas is part of the scenery. Battlefields are NOT Dixon of Dock Green dewy eyed British civil policing. Those who wished to drive the Jews into the sea as intended policy and said so, are the Palestine Arabs' leaders in 1948 1967 and since.
King Hussein;s 67 speech to kill all Jews was rebroadcast on BBC news and do NOT try to gaslight me at 84 that I did NOT hear it. Israel is legally in Judea and Samaria because Jordan shelled Jerusalem - and Tel Aviv - in 1967 and then refused bone headedly to make a peace till his own Arab subjects dumped him in the first intifada. As for the current troubles your friends shoulld not have committed the 7th Oct '23 massacre - with eventual intent again to genocide Jewish Israel by death or exile. You get what you dish out.
This "dislodging," psychologically and politically, is already happening in the hearts and minds of many Jews and former Jews, including myself. This is work that must be done, at long last.
"From the beginning of its existence, Israel has always pursued its own agenda, despite the West’s generous support, "
Unfortunately, this is the "tail wags the dog" meme which is false. The "West" is very happy with Israel. It was established in the middle of West Asia to bring chaos to the region so that the "true owners" of "The West", the capitalist billionaires, could use crime and corruption and intrigue to steal the wealth of those nations.
The "deep state" (which includes criminal organizations -- no billionaire is free of criminality) camouflages its efforts behind the false-flag of Israel. If the billionaires didn't want Bibi to do it, they have more than enough influence in the White House to stop support for Israel.
So your idea of getting any combination of nations to dismantle Israel is a very faint hope.
The "best hope" right now appears to be that the IDF continue to exhaust itself in its genocides in Gaza and Lebanon, and the surrounding Arab nations be freed of their tyrannical monarchies, and the people rise up to destroy Israel.
Anything less and Israel will be propped up again by the 40% of US billionaires who are Jews even though Jews are only 2% of the American population.
BS. China is still on track for about 5% growth this year. The real estate “crisis “ has been resolved. China doesn’t have recessions. Don’t BS us with that crap billionaires finance numbskulls like Paul Krugman to feed to the gullible so they can continue their capitalist criminal agenda.
But then you expose your ignorance by repeating the myth about Israel.
The comments about billionaires are factually wrong - unless you can actually list them by name and fortune.
There are about 1000 billionaires in the USA. The list is easily available.
They are capitalists.
It is a given that End-state capitalism is dominated by criminals.
Every 4-7 years a recession is engineered in the USA.
China's last recession was in 1979
What's "factually wrong" with this analysis?
Your third and fourth statements are not evidenced. China is in a part depression at the moment because it has overbuilt homes and infrastructure. Note in passing that it is in nobody's interest to create a depression/recession. They happen just because the World economy is too complicated to avoid. They are NOT deliberately "engineered".
As regards Israel it has pursued its agendas like all other countries do and owes them precious little because in 1948 Israel was thrown to the wolves like the Jewish Diaspora was in 1939 - 45. Israel was NOT created to create chaos - Arabs and great powers are quite good at chaos - BUT as a refuge for the Holocaust survivors and the Jews expelled from the Arab World in 1949 (Israeli independence) - 62 (Algerian independence).
A clear, uncompromising piece that forces readers to confront questions often avoided rather than resolved. Whether one agrees or not, Ghada Karmi articulates a coherent argument grounded in history, law, and lived reality, challenging the assumption that incremental reform can address what she presents as a structural problem. It is precisely this willingness to move beyond familiar frameworks that makes the article both provocative and necessary reading.
Even if I spent 100 years writing this idea, I wouldn't be able to write it better. This crazy entity destroyed my grandmother's life and created my psychopathic family. This little family is just one among millions, all genocidal, all deprived of any empathy, these are monsters walking on two legs, who look like us but we have nothing in common with. After it's gone, this "Israel" thing must be remembered for only one thing: a proof that monsters do exist and can he created easily, even from the same victims of other monsters. Let it be the last creation of monsters on this little fragile planet 💔
It’s important to recognize the US history of apartheid and constant domestic and international violence. Perhaps the key is to break the US oligarchy and empire first, and the dissolution of the Zionist Israeli government will inevitably follow?
"It must be attempted." No, it must be achieved.
Then the Sunnis and Shi'ites will continue to rip themselves - and the World apart.
Remember the Ottoman empire was a by word for stagnation after the death of Suleiman the Magnificent's imposition of his edition of the Sharia and banning of the printing press.
this is not a defense for an expansionist appartheid state that has no moral compass in the kidnapping, torture, organ theft and the murder of women, men and children and whose reach is manipulating/blackmailing most western societies. one does not justify the other. i don't agree regarding the reach of sunni/shi'ite conflict and such conflicts can be addressed separately. there is no justification for any entity that commits genocide and as such needs to be ended. to allow them is to embrace the further moral degradation of humanity.
This was NOT composed as a defence of Israel as your ignorant insults would take too much time to no purpose.
What I did wish to caution you about is to beware of what you pray for.
The classic example -especially as we are talking about religious bigotries - is how the Byzantine Empire shifted its support from the Khazars holding the Caspain Gap to sponsoring a Christian Russian Kievan state. Then the Turks turned up on their doorstep - from both directions.
Remember Valery Grossman's line in "Life and Fate": Tell me what you accuse the Jews of and I shall tell you what you are guilty of."
there are no ignorant insults. you had to make it personal instead of discussing facts and perspective. look in the mirror for the ignorance. you are done getting the chance to talk to me due to your inability to remain respectful.
Supremacists will never treat others as their equals. Jews are a Supremacist People.
Is that why the Roman Church calls itself "Catholic"???
Catholic as in Worldwide belief in Jesus Kingship. Catholic has nothing to do with Globalism which is Jewish Communism.
Catholic means universal - so supremacist.
As for Globalism that is modern economics which as the Emperor Vespasian noted "Money does NOT smell."
The sooner the better
I hesitate to add, dismantled rather than destroyed. Realistically speaking it is the state that is the problem. Under Capitalism the state pursues wealth not justice. We should call for the dismantling of the racist colonial capitalist state. But we MUST also envision some sort of future for ordinary people otherwise we are contributing to the violence.
It is called the One State Solution.
Yes, but perhaps beyond that is the NO-state solution. My point is that the state IS the problem. The Israeli state has turned the occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine into a for-profit business under neoliberalism. In fact I am about to publish a short podcast on that today.
They can have their one state in Poland.
Von grienen palmenland biss weissen land von schnee ...
These people have lost their chances to be anything but jailed
I agree in principle but the vast majority of the Israeli people support the genocide in Palestine so there are not many humanitarian s there.
I think we need to approach that as if they are in a frenzy or trance, fanned by politicians. People haven't truly learned to think for themselves and within the context of so-calloed "democracy" they do not see a possibility for taking power and creating solutions themselves. I know it sounds as if I am excusing Fascist behaviour but we need to be realistic; we can't just say that because Israelis voted for this kind of politics we have a right to throw them all in the sea. We have a duty to impose a solution on them, just as we would with children fighting. In fact it is the entire world that has failed them by allowing Israel to evolve a political course they can no longer alter. And ordinary people are stuck in the middle, just like everywhere else. Do you have any political influence where you live?
I am 84 and that sort of talk is exactly the sort of pro-Imperial justification we were served at school as late as the 1956 Suez affair to explain the British Empire.
The principal reason why there is instability across the Fertile Crescent is the failure (because of oil and the Cold War) to oblige the Arab neighbours of Israel to sign a peace treaty between 1947 - 67.
We have instability in the ME because one year after the international community banned genocide and made this ban jus cogens (a peremptory nonderogable norm of international law), the white raciest states gave vicious bloodthirsty white racial supremacist European Zionist colonial settler invaders a pass to commit its long planned mass murder genocide against the native population of Palestine (including my family). Every since the Zionist state has been suppurating cancerous tumor on the face of the Earth.
Genocide is an international capital crime without a statute of limitations. 84 is not too old to be tried and convicted for genocide incitement and conspiracy. I would be happy to try you in a Nuremberg-style International tribunal. I would seek the death penalty for you just as Julius Streicher received.
Every claim of Zionism is a lie.
The Ptolemies had a policy of creating Hellenistic versions of religions in the Ptolemaic Empire. Cult of Isis, Cult of Serapis, and Hellenistic Judaism seem to be such creations. The Pentateuch expresses concerns and ideas associated more with Plato and Hellenism than with Judean culture, which at the beginning of the Empire was almost certainly a polytheist Yahwism like the religion of Elephantine.
There was probably high early adoption of Hellenistic Judaism among Greeks. We don’t see any connections between Alexandrian Jews and the small existing Judean communities in Leontopolis or Tahpanhes (Daphnae).
Leading families like Philo’s did not speak Hebrew or Aramaic and don’t ever seem to have visited the Jerusalem Temple or the Oniad Temple.
Alexandrian Hellenistic Judaism in the 3rd century BCE looks like post-70 CE synagogue Judaism. There is no evidence of popular practice of Pentateuchal Judaism in Judea before the Hasmoneans in the 2nd century BCE. Alexandrian Judaism was a major innovative center of Judaism before Judea or Mesopotamia.
Matrilineality, priah, and a system for conversion all seem to originate in Alexandria. The creativity of Judea Province can be found in Pharaseeism, Judean Christianity, and Tannaitic interpretations.
Babylonian Judaism created the legal structures that makes Rabbinic Judaism a religion that is customized for a transnational commercial financial stratum.
This understanding of Greco-Roman Judaism explains Rabbinic Judaism.
For example, Sephardi Jews start with primary ancestry among Greek and Phoenician colonies in N. Africa and then connect with a trading metapopulation that is centered in Babylonia/Mesopotamia. This model explains Sephardi genetics perfectly.
A similar model applies to Ashkenazim.
Neither Ashkenazim nor Sephardim are descendants of Greco-Roman Judeans, who are ancestors of us Palestinians.
https://substack.com/@handalacrucified/p-168737737?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
The states of the West though imperfect have slowly pursued justice and votes are superior in this to the coups and executive hereditary monarchs of the Moslem World.
A powerful and uncompromising argument. The insistence that Israel’s role is structural cuts through many of the usual excuses. Well written.